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Islam: What Are The Rights of Women?
Hassan Rizvi , Lahore: Jan 14 2009
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Islam: What Are The Rights of Women?
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Introduction
The inspiration for this blog was a ‘retort’ by a reader to my comment about how the equality of colors, caste and creeds preached by Islam helped eliminate racism amongst Muslims. Unable –or unwilling- to refute the evidence I gave; he altered course: “So Hassan, pray tell, where do women stand in this wonderful democratic system”? And thus for the ‘umpteenth time’ I was confronted with yet another westerner convinced about the evils of Islam based on wrongly fed notions about the ‘ill treatment of women in Islam’.

I had never worried about the issue since I knew through personal experience what great respect and rights women enjoy in Muslim society. Yet since the question has been asked, I need to reply.

First I would like to reframe the question –and answer it myself. This is the same thing most ‘western’ critics of Islam do .My doing so is intended to clarify to the reader what westerners do when tacking this issue. So, Incognito pray tell, where do women stand in the wonderful western democratic system of yours! Let’s see, shall we? Three out of every four married Nicaraguan women are abused In the USA– allegedly the most civilized western country - one in six of every female over 12 has been a victim of rape. you Want to know more? In any year about 1 million sex offenders serve US jail sentences. In 1994 alone there was one rape for every 270 females 12 years old and older, one robbery for every 240 women, one assault for every 29 women and one homicide for every 23,000 women.

Monstrous isn’t it? Yet the real state is far worse for we are told that the above figures may represent only 1/3 of the actual occurrences as “many factors inhibit women from reporting victimizations”, including shame, fear of the stigma attached with the victimization, and a belief in the futility of reporting. Quite apart from these obnoxious crimes is the legal exploitation of women by the advertising media, Holly wood, the porno industry, and the sex service ‘trade’; where trillions of dollars are earned by marketing women as a sex symbol -while the family values, the morals and resultantly - the values of the nations, goes to dogs.

And once these sex goddesses –or even the toiling masses- have been milked dry, and the wrinkles take over; most have to live out their lives in the misery of old peoples homes- instead of a loving family to care for them.

Yet what would you think of my mental abilities if I were to blame the above on the teachings of Christ? Are these the crimes of present day Americans or the teachings of Christianity? Jesus was more communalistic then evens the communists! The Virgin Mary never went around with an uncovered head; and even the nuns keep alive that tradition today -but only the nuns and Islamic Muslimas!

The western men decided long ago they wanted ‘greener pastures’; and so their women complied. Till at last it appears only nuns in the flimsiest t-strings, singing ‘pop’ hymns as the choir, will be able to draw most of such ‘enlightened ones’ to any future Sunday church service.

So while the attribution of these crimes against women to the teachings of Christ may be ridiculous, an attribution to western ‘enlightenment’ may perhaps be more reasonable. In a similar vein western writers who love to write about the oppression of women in Islam; picking on issues like women not being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, forced marriages, child brides, honor killings, wife beatings, wearing of head scarves etc …are guilty of mixing their facts. They know fully well none of the above, except for the head scarf or the ‘hijab’ has anything to do with Islamic teachings .Yet they insist on presenting these cultural acts as the religious teachings of Islam –only to give greater force to their anti-Islam arguments!

As for the ‘hijab’ it should be obvious by now why Islam places such great emphasis on this as a proper dress code for Muslim women. In all ages we have recognized professions – and therefore how we treat people – by the dress they wear. Don’t we identify a laborer, an executive, a police person, a judge, a priest, a nun - name any profession this way; and tailor our expectations and demands accordingly? I apologies for what I am going to state next in case it offend any body, but this is the best way I know of making my point.

Quite obviously the dress code applies in even greater measure to the oldest profession in the world. If we reduce the dress code of our sisters, our wives ,our mother –even grand mothers- nay of all women, to that which the most shameless hookers of a few decades back would be reluctant to wear in public ,what dignity are we leaving them –or propelling them towards? The dress code of Muslim women plays a priceless role in this regards – it guarantees the preservation of her dignity by unmistakably proclaiming both her role as well as her resolve.
Islam: What Are The Rights of Women?

The Status of Women before the Advent of Islam

In order to see where women stand in Islam we have to see where they stood before the advent of Islam. Western civilization is rooted in three older sources-Greek, Roman and Christianity. In all three women were treated most atrociously–yet I must admit that their treatment in Arabia and the sub-continent was even worse; for the first buried alive their baby daughters on birth; and the second burned the widows on their husband’s funeral pyre! But as you shall see even in the better ones, the women particularly the married ones, were treated no better then slaves:

Islam: What Are The Rights of Women?The Rights of Women in Ancient Greece. In Athens, a woman was subject to and controlled by men throughout her life - if unmarried by her father during his life, other wise by the nearest blood relations. In the absence of blood relations, the extended family would take charge .On marriage – for which her consent was not needed - her husband took control, and any property she might later inherit went directly to his name.

Greek women had no political or legal rights. They could not vote; sign any document or contract, or be a part of any state office or organization. They weren’t even allowed to watch the Olympic Games. Jobs that a woman could perform in the public sphere were restricted to child bearing and rising, weddings, funerals and public religious festivals in which women played prominent public roles in honoring the gods.

Simonides depicted women as ‘the consumer of men, their sex, their strength, their food, and their wealth, and the instigator of all evils in the world; yet without her, society cannot continue’. Euripides in his book ‘Meda’ writes; ‘If only children could be got some other way without the female sex! If women didn’t exist, human life would be rid of all its miseries’. Many scenes on Greek Pottery depict women – but these are working women, dancing girls or prostitutes!

So the Greeks had little respect for women, who were kept as chattels and pictured as slaves to men’s desires. Surprisingly how ever the females amongst divinity were the most adored of Greek gods!

Islam: What Are The Rights of Women?The Rights of Women in Ancient Rome. The status of women in Rome was no different. Amongst the Greek, a Roman woman was a life long ward, incapable of doing or acting according to her own free will. On marriage, she and her property went into the hold of her husband. She could not witness, be a surety, curator or tutor; nor could she make a will or sign a contract. She could however witness only in cases of treason and witchcraft. Her role in the public religious ceremonies was reduced, and taken over by the institution of the Vestal Virgins.

Women did have a few legal privileges, justified on the grounds of bodily weakness and presumed mental incapacity!!! Thus she could plead ignorance of law as a ground for dissolving an obligation, which a man could not. And in certain cases she was exempt from torture.

Further, women could not obtain citizenship, she could not be adopted or adopt. She could not hold state office –in fact the women were only to be seen and not heard, for they were not even allowed to make suggestions. In short she was a purchased property of her husband, and like a slave acquired only for his benefit.

All this changed for the better in the last century of the Empire, when a new form of marriage was introduced. The wife was no longer placed under the authority of her husband, but allowed to remain under the authority of her family. The Upper class women could achieve release from family control and hire an agent to manage their finances .Thus despite a few remaining disabilities—such as not being able to stand surety ,or witness to a will, or sign a contract, the position of women had become one of greater independence. They could now hold, aquire, sell, lease and manage property through hired agents.

Also in these later days Roman leaders as well as Romans in general, started listening to the advice of their wives; they also acted as hostesses when the husband’s friends visited, and grand mothers were actively involved in advisory role in the raising of children. Women thus acquired a genuine influence in family affairs.

Islam: What Are The Rights of Women?The Rights of Women in Christianity. The status of women became worse then ever with the advent of Christianity. The Early Church Fathers blamed women for ‘the fall of man’, and were particularly zealous in condemning her for this. Thus she was required to live in continual penance on account of the curse she brought on man; her dress was something to be ashamed of, it being a memorial of her fall; her beauty too was the most potent instrument of the devil. She represented the door of hell being the mother of all human ills. Tertullian in particular attacked women in the most venomous terms:
“Do you know that you’re an Eve?”

- You are the devil’s gateway
- You are the unsealed of that forbidden tree
- You are the first deserters of the divine law
- You are she who persuades him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack.
- You destroy so easily God’s image, man.

No wonder Christianity reversed what ever small gains women had made under the Roman system –and kept them enslaved in their bitter chains for the next over 1800 years-burning millions of them as witches! In particular the canon law, looked with disfavor on female independence, and re-introduced the absolute subjection in all things, of the wife to the husband. The rationale being if husband and wife are “one body” before God, they are “one person” in the law and that “one person” is represented by the husband!

This was used to hound the Christian married women back to the state of an Athenian wife. Having no legal entity of her own; she could not vote, own, buy, deal with property, handle her own earnings, write her own will, be the legal guardian of her own children –in short do anything independently. As late as 1855 Caroline S. Norton writing a letter to the Queen, reviewing the position of married women under English law. Western women till then had not started the movement for their liberation, and so hadn’t become bold enough to demand social and political rights. She lists 12 points which are a remarkable indictment of the injustices western women still faced in regards to financial and material independence.Incidently each one of these –and more- Islam granted immediately more then 1400 years back to Muslim women:
1. A married woman has no legal existence whether or not she is living with her husband;
2. Her property becomes his property;
3. She cannot make a will; the law gives what she has to her husband despite her desires or his behavior;
4. She may not keep even her earnings (Which in Caroline’s case she earned from writing books);
5. He may sue for restitution of conjugal rights and thus force her, as if a slave to return to his home;
6. She is not allowed to defend herself in divorce;
7. She cannot divorce him since the House of Lords in effect will not grant a divorce to her;
8. She cannot sue for libel;
9. She cannot sign a lease or transact business;
10. She cannot claim support from her husband, his only obligation is to make sure she doesn’t land in the parish poorhouse - if he has means;
11. She cannot bind her husband to any agreement.
12. In short, as her husband, he has the right to all that is hers; as his wife she has no right to anything that is his-or even what is her own!

This then was a world in which women groaned under the tyranny and contempt of man; unable even to question their slave like status, let alone demand basic human and civic rights. The Greeks treated them as chattels ,the Romans as slaves, and the Christians as shameful –and hateful objects- made only for procreation and exploitation and likely to lead them to hell. Even as late as the eighteenth century their church councils wondered if women had a soul or could enter paradise!

It was thus a time when man could be God –and even ordinary men god’s images. Yet it was also a time when the gods made earth a hell for a woman.
Islam: What Are The Rights of Women?
The Liberation of Women by Islam.

In an era of such darkness, from its darkest corner; where a female baby could be buried alive on birth; shone forth a blazing beacon of hope, and liberation. The deserts of Arabia reverberated to the calls of a long awaited deliverer: “We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures” (Surah Al-Anbiyah v 107)
It was a message for the entire world, but accepted by the Arabs alone. And what a message it turned out to be for those who accepted it ; for within a generation it converted a lowly, despised, powerless and uneducated people into world leaders in every field – ethics, morality, justice, good governance, education, arts, sciences, military –you name it. Within this same period defeating all the super powers –and ideologies- of the time; they emerged as the first creators of a uni-polar world.

“A mercy for all creatures
”! Indeed!! An empty boast or a genuine claim? Since the oppressed and deprived women of the world were almost half the world’s population , it would be a sorry claim indeed were it to fail in freeing women from their sorry fate. Let’s see how Islam in fact did do just that.

Proclaiming Absolute Equality of the Sexes. In a world which viewed women as the inferior and even wondered if they possessed a soul; a re-establishment of a proper balance in the dignity, value and worth of women was an essential prelude – a necessary first step –to the emancipation of women. Islam did this by preaching absolute equality of both sexes in moral, religious and spiritual aspects - their standing in the sight of God if you may. Islam taught such equality even in the pre-existence stage. It looks on the ‘ruh’ or spirit as the real existence. The ‘ruh’is eternal, it existed before it was placed into the body, and continues to exist after the body dies. In this pre-existence phase The Quran describes the Lord taking a testimony from all ‘ruhs’:
“Am I not your Lord (Who cherishes & sustains you)? They said: “yea! We do testify! (Surah A`araf v 172).

Clearly in pre-existence they were all equal -they were all there! She is an equal testifier along with all others. God makes no separate testament with men or women. Can you even imagine what a great boost this would have been to the status of women who till then were led to believe they were the ‘the lowest of the low’. This perception of equality in the sight of God is further reinforced by the verses on physical creation:
O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; (Surah Nisa v 1). … And also…“We created humanity in the best of moulds”.(Surah Tin v 95).

Oh! How amazingly uplifting for the world’s despised women .One can imagine the joy and relief which must have swept through them. I can almost picture it: “Hey! Did you hear? Muhammad (p) just declared we and men are created from the same source! And from the best of moulds too!! We have absolute equality and men can claim no superiority”!!!…perhaps adding triumphantly…. “How can they now deny, what Allah himself asks Muhammad (p) to proclaim?”

Demolishing the Other Myths about Women. But just one blow could never bring low the chain of falsehoods which people like Tertullian had forged to enslave women. And so each of these is attacked individually:

The Quran denies the belief that women are more evil then men: Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has faith, verily, to him will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions (Surah Nahal v 97).

It declares as false the equally erroneous belief that women could not enter –or would find it more difficult to enter- heaven: “if any do deeds of righteousness, be they male or female and have faith, they will enter Heaven and not the least injustice will be done to them.” (Surah Nisa v124)

It teaches Muslims to stay away from the rubbish about women being the devil’s gateway; the source of all evil or the doors to hell; by informing them: The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practice regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise. (Surah Tawba v 71)

It declares false the belief that man has a greater role to play in society, by assigning the same broad seven goals to all “Muslim”, “devoted” and “believing” men and women–:

“Verily, for all men and women who have surrendered themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men and women who are true to their word, and all men and women who are patient in adversity, and all men and women who humble themselves [before God], and all men and women who give in charity, and all self-denying men and self-denying women, and all men and women who are mindful of their chastity, and all men and women who remember God unceasingly: for [all of] them has God readied forgiveness of sins and a mighty reward” (Surah Ahzab v 35)

It denounces the equally widely held nonsense that man would get greater reward for his efforts –in this world or the next- because of his greater role ;or because of women’s part in the ‘fall of man’: To men is allotted what they earn and to women what they earn but ask God of His bounty. For God hath full knowledge of all things.” (Surah Nisa v 32)

Women’s Rights in Islam. Raising the status of women in ‘the sight of God’ by itself would be just psychological word play; unless real steps were initiated to free women from the clutches of men. Islam did this through an immediate promulgation of rights which could empower women. As I shall show here women in Islam were freely given those rights which it took women in other societies another about 1400 years to secure even partially –and then after a violent ‘women’s lib movement’! I hope therefore that the reader will be able to see that in the history of humankind, none worked harder or had more influence upon advancement of women’s rights, then the teachings of the Prophet and the verses of the Quran.

Islam considers the family as the smallest and basic social structure of society. While both have equal responsibility for the overall well being of the family, it considers man as only the protector and sustainer of this unit at all times ; and the woman as its chief nourisher. She has the more important role of raising and molding the future generations. Women therefore always stay a part of the original family even after marriage, on divorce or even after becoming widows –and the head of the family is always responsible(out of his own assets) for ensuring their dignity and security. Also Islam gives as you will see greater respect, dignity and right of obedience to women so as to enable her to perform this role.

Islam treats women in four broad social categories; Woman in general, the mother, the wife and the daughter. It grants all women some basic rights; and then specifies additional ones for each category; the aim being complete emancipation of the women, while also ensuring greater dignity, social responsibility, security, and empowerment commensurate with responsibilities within each category. Let’s have a look at some of those rights:

1. Right to Intellectual Freedom. Islam lays great emphasis on gaining knowledge as a means of proper insight and understanding. Repeatedly The Quran asks Muslims to observe and reflect on creation as a means of gaining knowledge. The Prophet (p) declared, “The pursuit of knowledge is a duty of every Muslim, man and woman”, and also advised his followers to “go to China to gain knowledge’ “if needed. Muslims were expected to attain faith and belief as a result of enquiry and study. As the Quran states: There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the true path is clearly distinct from error….and also asks ….So, will you (O Muhammad) then compel mankind so they will become believers?

At a time when elsewhere the world was not ready to listen to a women’s advice-or even accept them as tutors of children, Islam extended the same rights to intellectual freedom and education to its women as it gave to the men. This was considered essential for their role as molders of the character of its future citizens.

Women used to compete with men in attaining knowledge at the mosque and at the houses of Muhammad. At their request he also set aside a special day for teaching them so that they could be better in religion knowledge; better mothers and wives; and better members of the society. The result was that in an age in which women elsewhere were considered incapable of looking after them; Islam produced great women scholars in the fields of medicine, sciences, and religion. Based on this knowledge they could even guide a commander of the faithful (constitutional advice) if he was erring or humble a tyrant if he became too arrogant or even take over leadership if men were unavailable or had become united in disobedience of God’s commands.
Thus once when Hazrat Umar (p), the second caliph of Islam, was considering putting an upper limit on the ‘Mahr’, to encourage young men to get married earlier, - a lady from the back seat objected and said: “The Quran says’ you can even give a heap of treasure, a heap of gold in ‘Mahr’ (Surah Nisa v 20) who are you to put a limit?” Immediately the caliph admitted: ‘Umar is wrong and the lady is right’. Imagine, she was a common lady - if she had been a famous lady, the name would be mentioned in the Hadith.So even a common lady could object to a ‘breach of the constitution’ by the head of the state! All she needed was the necessary knowledge of the law.
And then a time came when a ruthless Muslim tyrant for the sake of a throne massacred the grandsons of the holy prophet along with 72 male members of the family and their followers. Bibi Zainab grand daughter of the Holy Prophet (p), along with the surviving women and children - after being paraded through Yazids Empire as rebels and trophies of war- were brought in chains to his court. This is where Yazid planned their final humiliation-a breaking of their will if you must.

Yazid had assembled all the foreign ambassadors, dignitaries and officers of his capital for that occasion. When the prisoners were brought in, they saw that Imam Hussein’s head was at the foot of Yazid’s throne. Yazid was joyfully reciting some poems in which he openly rejected the Prophet hood of Prophet Muhammad (p) and called on his ancestors (who were killed by the Muslim army in the battle of Badr) to witness the revenge which he had extracted from the family of the Prophet.

Under such emotionally charged circumstances Lady Zaynab bin Ali, stood up to give a powerful rebuttal: “In the name of God, the Beneficent, and the Merciful. All praise is due to God, the Lord of the Universe, God’s blessings be on His Messenger’s Family.
In the long run evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil; for that they rejected the Signs of God, and held them up to ridicule. (Surah 30 v 10)
“Do you, O Yazid, think that - when you blocked all our avenues of the earth and the horizons of the heavens before us, so we were driven as captives - that we are worthless in the eyes of Allah and that you are respectful in His eyes? ………………. But wait! Have you forgotten that Allah said?

Do not regard those who disbelieved that we grant them good for themselves? We only give them a respite so that they may increase their sins, and for them there is a humiliating torment. (3:178)
So scheme whatever you wish to scheme, and carry out your plots, and intensify your efforts, for, by Allah, you shall never be able to obliterate our mention, nor will you ever be able to kill the revelation (that was revealed to us), nor will you ever exault our position, nor will your shame ever be washed away. Your view shall be proven futile, your days limited in number, and your wealth wasted on the Day when the caller calls out,
“The curse of Allah be upon the oppressors.” (11:18)
It was a stirring and bold speech, with each sentence loaded with such symbolism and imagery as to have the court weeping at the evil they were witnessing. This was to set the ball rolling to waken the consciousness of the Muslims, till in a few years the worlds most powerful empire crumbled at the hands of those seeking revenge – an empire which was so powerful that even its sole survivor proved powerful enough to set up Muslim rule in Spain. Her full speech is here

After such powerful demonstrations as the two above of the role educated women had taken on as molders of a nations character and protectors of it’s laws and values ,it is no wonder that successive despots through out Islamic history, have tried their best to deprive women of their right to education and intellectual freedom.
2. Equal Components of Society. To a world accustomed to looking down upon women as ‘the consumer of men, and the instigator of all evils’, The Quran declared that: ‘The men and the women they are maintainers and supporters of each other. (Surah Taubah v 71)The word ‘Auliya’ here means ‘supporters’ and ‘maintainers’ – hence the Islamic custom of the use of the word brother or sister for the opposite sex. All the rights of Islamic women flow from this basic right of being helpers and supporters of - and expecting help and support from - men. This includes the additional specials rights granted to daughters, wife’s and mothers which we will consider separately
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3. Right to Inheritance. While Islam did not invent the right of inheritance, it did how ever lay down fixed ratio’s in which women would inherit from the properties of not only their parents, but also the relatives and husbands. Men have a share of what their parents and relatives leave behind, and women have a share of what their parents and relatives leave behind, whether the estate be small or large – a legal share. (Qur’an 4:7) More over by declaring that all property was held as a trust from God, to be legally passed on to all inheritors; it ensured that the usual mechanizations to deprive women of their property were eliminated.

4. Right to Really Own Her Property. From day one Islam gave adult Muslim women the right to fully manage and enjoy her property. She could own, buy, dispose or disown any property, irrespective of whether she was married or single; thus eliminating it’s transfer in the name of ‘guardian husbands, fathers or brothers’ which left her with no control over it. The west only gave this right to its women in 1870, when England first gave it to married women.

5. Right to Work .Islam gave its women the same rights to work as men. They could opt for any job as long as it was not unlawful i.e. had anything to do with sex, liquor, gambling, unethical or dishonest business, or jobs dealing with interest dealing securities or institutions. The important differences were that the women had no financial or military obligations –these being entirely the duty of men, hence she was not obliged to work or join jihad. She could how ever do either if she wished –or if it became imperative. Even then no one could force her .The choice had to be hers. She can also ask to be paid for any house hold chores she does. The second requirement is to keep in mind the requirements of hijab at her place of work. Once a woman came to the Prophet complaining that some men forbade her from working on her farm. Allah’s Messenger (p) told her: “Go work your date palms; for perhaps you might give some charity or do acts of righteousness. And so since the dawn of Islam, women have engaged in many occupations such as education, medicine, commerce, agriculture, and manufacturing.

6. Right to Her Earnings. Till as late as the last quarter of the 19th century, western women had absolutely no say in even how the wages they earned through their own efforts were spent. As against this the Muslim women could always retain her earnings and use them as they wished –their husbands having no right over it! Islam obliged its men to spend a (considerable) portion of their earnings on the maintenance of the household, wife/wives and children.

7. Right to a Marriage Contract. While continuing to lay the responsibility for marriage on the parents, Islam did away with three notorious customs which reduced woman to a chattel after marriage. First it did away with the evil practice of paying a ‘bride price’ to the father which was rampant in the world since Nomadic times and instead made it a Mehr (compulsory gift to the bride) which she could use or spend any way she liked. Second it disallowed marriage with out the girls consent and third it made marriage a written contract rather then a status which had been the world wide practice till then. This is a right which the west is now getting round to framing in their ‘pre-nuptial contracts’. More details on the marriage contract when we get to ‘legal rights given to daughters by Islam’.
8. General Right to Divorce. A wife can ask for divorce if she believed that continuing the marriage relationship would do her more harm than good. Or if her husband fails to support her even if despite her having own resources. She can even get alimony from her ex-husband. For other grounds for divorce see ‘rights to daughters’ below.
9. Special Right to Support When Pregnant. The Quran orders, “And if they’re pregnant, then spend (your sustenance on them until they give birth. And if they suckled your children, you should pay them for it, and take mutual counsel together, according to what is just and reasonable, and if you find yourselves in difficulties, let another woman suckle the baby on the fathers behalf.”(Qur’an 65:6).

10. Political Rights of Women .In spite of politics being a very limited activity in those days, we find the Muslim women granted full rights to participate in what ever was considered political activity in those days. One form of such activity was ‘Hijrat’ or emigration as famously practiced by the Holy prophet when he migrated to Medina to practice and propagate his message with greater freedom. Another was participation in the selection of, and swearing of allegiance to leaders. Yet another was mutual consultation and rendering of advise for the better, regarding the day to day affairs of the Muslim state .We find that the holy scriptures support equal participation of women in all such affairs: “And their affairs are by mutual consultation”, a general text which applies equally to both men and women. But this is made even clearer by other texts like: “The believers, men and women, are protectors of one another; they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong”.

So we find innumerable examples of Muslim women participating independently in all these activities right from the dawn of Islam.e.g. Umm Kulthûm bint `Uqbah and Umm Salamah (may Allah be pleased with them both) who emigrated independently; women like Umm Salamah who advised the Holy Prophet(p) and Bibi Aisha(p) who advised subsequent caliphs and scholars. As for allegiance to leaders apart from the verses of the Quran given above, we also have many recorded cases of women participating in the selection process, and the swearing of allegiance to various caliphs.
Special Rights for Individual Categories of Women

Special Rights for Mothers

1.Right of Mothers to Greater Love and Respect the Holy Quran states: ‘We have enjoined on the human beings to be kind to his parents. In pain did their mother bore them and in pain did she give them birth’. (Surah Ahqaf 46:15).The mothers are given more respect because of the pains of giving birth. This is in sharp contrast to other cultures where the pains are a sign of humiliation and eternal punishment. Thus the Quran also enjoins: ‘Respect the womb that bore you’. (Surah Nisa 4:1) .And the holy prophet declares: ‘Paradise lies at the feet of the mother’. On another occasion when a man asked The holy Prophet (p): ‘Who requires the maximum love and respect and my companionship in this world? He replied – ‘your mother’. ‘Who is next’? – ‘your mother’. ‘Who is next?’ – ‘your mother’. The man asked for the fourth time, - ‘Who is next’. The Prophet (p) replied ‘your father’. And so the mother deserves three times the love and respect due to a father!

2. Right to Care and Love in Old Age. Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of contempt nor repel them, but address them in terms of honor. (Qur’an 17:23) .And so no old peoples home for Muslim parents!

Did you ever hear any man proclaim such rights to obedience and respect for women before –or even after- The great prophet Muhammad (p)?

Special Rights to Daughters
1. The Right to Life. Islam put an immediate end to the evil practice of killing baby girls. The holy Quran asked the Arabs what they would say on judgment day: ‘when the female child is buried alive and when she questions you, for what crime was she killed’. (Surah Taqveem 81:8-9).Muhammad (p) reinforced his message with announcements like: Whosoever has a daughter and does not bury her alive, does not insult her, and does not favor his son over her, Allah will enter him into Paradise. …And… Whosoever supports two daughters until they mature, he and I will come on the Day of Judgment as this (and he pointed with his two fingers held together)? Within a generation girl infanticide was finished. Compare that say to a country like India where even now millions of baby girls are killed before delivery every year; and huge bill-boards declare, “spend Rs500 and save Rest 500,000”- meaning save the expense of raising and marrying a girl!!
2. The Right to a Good Name. One of the foremost duties on parents is to give the girl a good name- it evokes good feelings in others and also raises her self esteem. Thus most Muslim girls are named after female icons of purity e.g. Mary (mother of Jesus) or Fatima (daughter of Muhammad-p) or given names like Nur Jehan(light of the world) or Shagufta(rose bud or fresh fragrance etc).Initially this too had the immediate impact of helping eliminate girl infanticide by awakening a feeling of love for girls.
3. The Right to a Good & Equitable Upbringing. In the pre-Islamic era, children were considered to be properties of their fathers to be bought or sold, or sacrificed to gods, or raised as the father felt. Islam did away with this proclaiming they were a trust from God held by the father: “Every one of your (people) is a shepherd. And every one is responsible for whatever falls under his responsibility. A man is like a shepherd of his own family, and he is responsible for them. And also ‘Kill not your children for want of sustenance for it is Allah that will provide sustenance for you and for children’. (Surah Al An am 6:151).Children were thus given the right to be properly brought up, raised and educated. Children were also given the right to be treated equally in educational and financial terms as well as love and affection. Islam extended these rights to the girls, with the provision that all children be treated equally. ‘In the presence of the Prophet, once a man kissed his son and placed him on his lap but did not do the same to his daughter. The Prophet immediately objected and said that you are unjust - You should have even kissed your daughter and placed her on the other lap’. Prophet Muhammad (p) was also reported as saying: “Be fair and just in terms of the gifts you offer your children. If I was to give preference to any (gender over the other) I would have preferred females over males (in terms of giving gifts).”
4. Right to a Happy Marriage. Islam taught that it was the right of girls to be married as soon as they came of marriageable age. Allah’s Apostle(p) said: Ali, there are three matters which should not be deferred: the Prayer when its time is due, the funeral as soon it is ready, and the case of a woman without a husband, when there is a suitable (spouse) for her in her class.
Special Rights to Wives.
1. The Right to Dignity. All the previous civilizations, held women to be an ‘instrument of the devil’. The Quran refers to women as ‘Mohsana’, that is a ‘fortress against the devil’. It considers good women as a garment and support for a husband as she can shield him from many devilish acts like excessive drinking and gambling, sexual promiscuity, fornication and homosexuality - which lead to the grossest erosion of family and moral values. The Quran expresses this idea when it says:’ your wives are your garments, and you are their garments’. (Surah Baqarah 2:187). The Holy Prophet (p) reinforces this with his saying: The whole world is a provision, and the best object of benefit of the world is the pious woman.
2. Right of Consent to Marriage. Islam did away with the thought that girls consent was unnecessary for her marriage. The Holy Quran says: ‘You are prohibited to inherit women against their will’ Surah Nisa, Ch.4v19, and Allah’s Messenger (peace is upon him) said: “A previously married woman has more rights over herself, and a virgin must have her permission sought.” There are cases where the Holy Prophet (p)annulled the marriages of women who were married against their will.’ a lady was forced by her father to marry against her wishes’ - And she went to the Prophet(p) and the Prophet(p) invalidated the marriage’..Also in another Hadith: ‘a daughter was forced by her father to get married - And when the daughter approached the Prophet, the Prophet said you can either continue, or if you wish you can invalidate the marriage.’
3. Right of Marriage Contract. Before Islam marriage was a status-and a one sided one at that; in that the wife was reduced to the status of a chattel with no say in her own affairs. Islam changed this into a contract between the spouses in which the two agree to share rights and responsibilities to develop a happy family. According to Surah Nisa, Ch.4, Verse No.21, marriage is a sacred contract entered upon by both participants who vow to be ruled by the established law of Allah. Surah Baqarah, Ch.2, Verse No.187, which says: The consent of the girl is essential for the completion of the marriage.
Both the bride and groom may make any stipulations provided they are not in violation of the laws of Islam. It is customary for marriage contracts to be written down, when either side makes a stipulation. Customary stipulations include, can include giving up or demanding certain responsibilities, specifying where the couple will live, a prohibition on the husband marrying other women (a wife has the right to annul the marriage if her husband violates this condition), specifying whether or not the first wife will allow the husband to take a second wife without her consent, whether or not the wife has the right to initiate divorce, and other such matters.(Islam does not allow right of divorce to women under normal circumstance).
A husband demanding dowry from the wife, directly or indirectly is prohibited in Islam. If the parents of the girl give the girl something out of their own free will, it is accepted. Also Islam did away with the bride money paid to the girl’s father. Instead the bride receives the Mehr in marriage, which is the exclusive right of the woman. This Mehr may be paid at once after the solemnization (Nikah) of marriage or any time in life. But if it is not paid during the lifetime, it is considered a debt and like all other debts must be paid from the legacy of the deceased even before distribution of property among the legal heirs. Like any debt the bride of her free will may forgive the debt.
After a lady is married, it was the duty of the husband to provide her with the Religious education. If he couldn’t do it himself, and if she wanted, he should allow her to go somewhere else to acquire the education
Widows were granted the right to re-marry after a suitable period of mourning ‘Iddah’ for their dead husbands. Divorced women are also allowed to re-marry. The rights and contract are exactly the same as given above. In case of divorce, she is given financial support for the period of ‘Iddah’ - and if she has children, she is also given child support
4. Right to Equality.’ Treat your wives on a footing of equity and kindness even if you dislike her - For you may be disliking a thing for which Allah has made good for you’. (Surah Nisa, 4:19).However The Holy Quran also says: ‘the women have been given rights similar against them on equitable terms but the men have a degree higher’. (Surah Baqarah 2:228).There is no contradiction here as the word ‘Kawwam’ meaning one degree higher come from ‘Ikamah’ meaning to standup; so here it means one degree higher in responsibility for protection-and not superiority over women. This right to equality is emphasized so much, that even for household jobs like cooking, house cleaning or washing clothes a woman can not be forced to do so. It is only allowed if she wishes to do so herself-and even then if she wishes she can demand payment for the job.
5. Right to Protection and Maintenance. And here is the explanation of why men are a degree higher not only in protection but also in maintenance. ‘The men are the protectors and maintainers of the women, for Allah (SWT) has given one of them more strength than the other and they give them their means’. (Surah Nisa 4:34). Irrespective of how rich the wife is, it is the duty of the husband to give lodging, boarding, and clothing and look after the financial aspects of the wife and children.
6. Right to love and kindness The Quran says : ‘And amongst our signs We have created for you mates or companions, so that you may dwell in them in tranquility and we have put love and mercy between your hearts’. (Surah Rum 30:21) The Prophet (p) said: “The best among you is the one who is the best towards his wife.”
7. Right To Family Care if Widowed or Divorced. If she becomes a widow or is divorced, she reverts her back to the paternal home where she is looked after with love and affection. The Holy Prophet (p) said, “should I not tell you what is the best charity” That you should show kindness to that daughter who(becoming a widow or having been divorced) has been returned to you, and who has no other maintainer or supporter.”
Conclusion. Arab women were amazed; and took to voting with their feet! Many converted even though their fathers, husbands, and the rest of their male relatives remained disbelievers. Thus Umm Habîbah, the daughter of Abû Sufyan converted, even though her father was the leader of the forces opposing Muhammad. Umm Kulthûm, the daughter of `Uqbah accepted Islam and emigrated in spite of the fact that every member of her family remained polytheists.Fatimah, the sister of ‘Hazrat Umar(p)’the second Caliph of Islam became Muslim before he did. There were many women who pre-ceded their husbands in converting to Islam including Umm Sulaym – the wife of Abû Talhah, and Umm Hakîm the wife of `Ikrimah. Women thus formed a considerable portion of the early converts to Islam, and proved an important factor in the early success of Islam by converting their relatives.

How could the matter have been any different? No matter which aspect you look at Muslim women had to be overjoyed at the rights Islam gave them. Islamic criminal law, offered equal protection to the life and property for men or women –for sons as or daughters, for wives as for widows. The punishment for crimes was also the same .An Islamic woman was always as equal a citizen as the men. She could legally manage her own property and money as she wished, and raise her children in accordance with her own wishes. She could own, hold, acquire, sell, lease and manage property, spending her earnings as she liked. She was able to sue, stand witness, be a surety, curator or tutor even great scholars –leave alone children; she could make a will or sign a contract, bind her husband to an agreement, get a separation from husband, or transact a business. She had equal rights to work, education –and even participation in public affairs. And all this at least 1500 years before any other civilization gave those same rights to its women. That is why in spite of all the hue and cry in the west, there has never been a serious ‘women’s lib movement’ in Islam.

It says much for our Holy prophet’s(p) commitment to the cause of rights for women that even in his farewell address where he informed the Muslims this would be his last Hajj amongst them he did not forget their cause:
“O people it is true that you have rights with regards to your women, but they also have rights over you. If they abide by your rights, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your parents and committed helpers. It is your right that they do no make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve as well as they never committed adultery…….. Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers” (Last sermon of Prophet (p).

I will end this by giving the views of three very educated women who have studied this issue deeply. One a prize winning and respected British journalist who converted to Islam after studying it, second a British women and a Christian who did a BBC program on women’s rights in Islam and finally a women studying in a Canadian University.

Yvonne Ridley converted to Islam after reading the rights and dignity it gave to Muslim women. And says “Do you know, five years ago I had never even heard of The Prophet (p), but now I would give my last drop of blood to protect his name, his honor and his memory”.

Next the views of a Muslim student at a western university: “It is the desire to please popular culture that makes 15 year old girls want to fit into Kate Moss’s jeans by sticking their fingers down their throats and wretching (throwing up) three times a day. It is the unattainable Perfect-Body society has conjured, that make “fat”, “ugly” girls splatter themselves on sidewalks because they just are “not thin and pretty enough”. AND THEY TELL ME ISLAM OPPRESSES WOMEN??. I am thankful that I am not suicidal or psychologically unbalanced because I can’t meet the demands of my culture. I am quite content with my religion, for it values my power to achieve great things through my mind, not through my body.

And these are the views of Mary Walker Production Coordinator on the BBC2 series “Living Islam”, after interviewing women in 19 Muslim countries. She gave these in an article written after completing this series: “When I joined the team of “Living Islam” two years ago, my perception of Islam was dominated by prejudice and ignorance, and I found its treatment of women abhorrent…… The emancipated woman in the West faces the conflict between confirmation of her femininity and the privileges that she associates with it, and repudiation of the confines of her female role and all the limitations that men want her to assume………

By choosing to wear the veil, these women were making a conscious decision to define their role in society and their relationship with men. That relationship appeared to be based more on exchange and mutual respect (a respect that was often lacking in the personal relationships I saw in the West)…….

To some extent, they were freer than me - I had less control over my destiny. I could no longer point at them and say they were oppressed and I was not. My life was influenced by male approval as theirs - but the element of choice had been taken out of mine. Their situations and their arguments had, after all, served to highlight shortcomings in my view of my own liberty.

Incognito I wrote this for you. Because I saw your comment some where else “Hate and bigotry is rooted in ignorance and is passed down from generation to generation…… and most people are unwilling to make the effort to understand”. I saw it as the observation of a sensible man, and therefore thought it worth while to educate such a man on what Islam offered –and still offers - to women”.

I am conscious how ever of the many specific objections which westerners put forward. I assure you they are equally false and groundless-having been taken out of context to present a distorted picture. I have not dealt with those here, firstly because the blog has already become a rather lengthy article; and second I do not know which ones you –and others may like to raise. I look forward to addressing them in the comments portion of this ‘article’.

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Vijay
Kota, India
Hassan,do women really gets all these rights?
As described by you.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Vijay,

It is the job of the constitution to provide the framework.Thereafter as you know human nature - the Bush,Mushs and Nixon’s of the world -take over.they disempower whom they like for their own reasons.

So basically it is a question of standing for your rights.Where you dont the Musharrafs take it all away -and you suffer.

Same applies to women.And particularly in Islam where for reasons of perpetuation of state power despotic male rulers disenfranchised the sex which was given the task of shaping the nations character murdering the real democracy of Islam- and of course got back to the old game of male dominated power brokering.

But yes,where women stand for their rights they do get them.In Pakistan for example -excluding the frontier tribal areas - neither both in the villages and in cities you see less then 1% women wearing Burkha.But over 50 % wear the hijab in the form of dupatta or some other head covering.All of them-including the burkha wearers must be allowed their choice -and are.

As for power in the highest rugs of the land-right since independence we had brave women like Mohtrama Fatima Jinnah-who nearly ousted Field marshal Ayub khan;begum Liaquat Ali Kahan;begum Noon;and of course you know that world class leader-Benazir Bhutto.

So yes women can get their rights - if they choose.
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Of course not, Vijay. This is a joke. Perhaps secular Muslim women, or women in western countries, but for the most part no.
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Vijay
Kota, India
Hassan,at least here I’m agree with your views and I’ve seen that Pakistani women are also getting equal and some times better opportunities.In India they didn’t got 33% quota and in Pakistan they are getting it without any specified quota.One thing more,you’ve mentioned on photo”If I had a choice,I’m not sure which I would choose”.
Now which way you’ll go Hassan,Left or Right?
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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
As usual, from what we see in the media and can read in ”scholarly texts”, the theory of women’s rights is as far removed from the actual practice in Islam as it is in other societies.

How else can the closing of girls’ schools in Islamic countries, arranged marriages, honor killings, family violence and unequal sentencing for crimes such as adultery and rape between men and women be explained? For example, when was the last time a man was sentenced to death for adultery? Why does Islam require 4 male witnesses to rape? How is it that a woman is often sentenced as ”guilty” of her own rape while the man or men committing the rape go uncharged or acquited?

How ”equal” are women’s rights in Saudi Arabia when women are not even allowed to sit in the front seat of a car, let alone drive?

I’m sorry, but this article talks of the theory, which sounds good on the face of it, but the reality in Muslim countries is often quite different from the theories advanced here. Theoretical debates are fine, but any resemblance between the theories advanced here and the actual practices in Muslim countries seems to be purely coincidental.
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Vijay
Kota, India
Michael,
Isn’t it confusing and everybody is making his own interpretation of texts of Koran.All these religions were created just to make society more civilised but just the opposite is happening.
Whatever has written on all these holly books,are not the holy words of there respective ’GOD’s.
Such religions are really ”HARMFUL” for human beings.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Michael,
People like you are exactly the one the noble Jesus Christ lost his life trying to educate -but they never learned!

Why can’t you see the ’entire beam’ in your own eyes - and yet can see the splinter of a straw in another’s.For instance the Jews as late as the late 20th century were debating on should they give Jewish women the right to witness-never mind the right to vote!!!

You are so fond of pretending to criticiz Saudi Arabia;Please tell
who were -and still-are the biggest supporters of te kingdom?.The British ,Americans -and their Jewish lobbies - or the Muslims of Saudi Arabia and the world? What has Saudi Arabia to do with Islam except that the Royal family are the custodians of the Holy Kaba.That is the reason why the Muslim world respects them -not because of their laws,which are followed by no other-and earlier versions of Islam.Of course it is a shame that Muslim women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive-so question the Americans about it not Islam-Islam has nothing to do with it as you shall find if you visit any other Muslim country.

Honor killings happen every where-even in the west,Americas and non-muslim African ,as well as Asian and Hindu societies. Even a child can google the word and see for himself.therefore as you ’know very well’-or should know-it is not a religious issue at all,but a cultural.

Arranged marriages!!!!! Do you mean forced marriages or arranged marriages.Please clarify this before I can reply.There is a world of a difference between the two.

Why family violence alone !!!You now have figures for the entire world for violence against women.Just study them before making this allegation.You will find over all figures for violence against women are certainly much higher in western societies -and for family related violence too.

If you know that Islam requires 4 witnesses for rape ;you will also know that Islam requires four witnesses for all major crimes.Two witnesses is the requirement only for witnessing to documents,deeds etc and minor crimes.This is not only fair-but also where Islam tried to make the prevailing system more humane ;all crimes which carried severe and often harsh (by modern day standards)needed more evidence. Thus adultery where since the days of Moses the men & women were being frequently stoned to death became more difficult to prove-and therefore implement.

”How is it that a woman is often sentenced as ”guilty” of her own rape”.You tell me!!I have never heard of this-nor do i think this is humanely possible for her.But if it has happened anywhere ;surely it is a case of miscarriage -or misuse -of justice.how is Islam involved.This happens everywhere.

”The man or men committing the rape go uncharged or aquited”? Again who is to blame ;where does Islam state men raping women are to be aquited.But in a male dominated society such miscarriage of injustice is inevitable - as is evidenced the world over.
”when was the last time a man was sentenced to death for adultery? Ok ” let me ask when was the last time a man was stoned for death in the west or even amongst the Jews”.perhaps is the times of the prophets?No?

”I’m sorry, but this article talks of the theory”.I am sorry Davis this article talks of Islamic law for women as accepted by all factions of Islam -and as practiced in the times of the holy prophet and the early period.And yes all law is theory-unless you put it into practice.of course it sounds good,because it is good.

That is why when we practiced it,it led to the golden period of Islam.In fact Islam is meant as-and was- blessing and glory for women; and women are meant to be -and were for a limited - a blessing and glory for Islam.
Those days shall return God willing,as educated Muslim women take back the role assigned to them by God.
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A well known Muslim woman writer, Fatima Mernissi writes: ”It is well known that the area in which Islam introduced the greatest reform was that of marriage and sexual relations, a large proportion – perhaps 80 percent – of Koranic rulings being devoted to regulating marital relations and the conduct of women. That is, the establishment of Islam was marked by the institution of new sociosexual norms to at least the same extent as by the institution of a new religion and polity. (Source) 1986, ”Women and the Advent of Islam”, Signs : Journal of Women in Culture and Society, 11 (4).
The University of Chicago Press.

I wish majority of the following verses in the Holy Quran are not correct.


1.Marry of the women two, or three, or four.–4:3
2.. It’s OK to have sex with your wives on the night of the fast. 2:187
3. Menstruation is a sickness. Don’t have sex with menstruating women. 2:222
4. Have sex with your women whenever and as often as you like. 2:223
5. Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are ”a degree above them.” 2:228
6. A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282
7. Males are to inherit twice that of females. 4:11
8. Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15
9. You may not forcibly inherit women, unless they flagrantly lewd. 4:19
10. Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20
11. You can’t have married women, unless they are captives. 4:24
12. Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them. 4:34
13. Don’t pray if you are drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman lately. 4:43
14. They invoke in his (Allah’s) stead only females. 4:117
15. A man cannot treat his wives fairly. 4:129
16. ”Unto the male is the equivalent share of two females.” 4:176
17. When it’s time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be prepared to wash up. If you can’t find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself. 5:6
18. Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 11:78
19. when the doom of Allah comes, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, nursing mothers with forget their babies. 22:1-2
20. You don’t have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls ”that your right hand possess.” 23:6
21. If you accuse an honorable women of adultery, be sure to bring four witness. Otherwise you will receive 80 lashes. 24:4
22. A husband can accuse his wife of adultery with only one witness. 24:6
23. Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31
24. The wives of Muhammad will be punished double for lewdness. (And that is easy for Allah.) 33:30
25. The wives of Muhammad are not like other women. They must not leave their houses. 33:32-33
26. When Allah or Muhammad decide that a man and a woman should marry, they must marry. 33:36
27. Allah gave Zeyd to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it’s OK to marry your adopted son’s ex-wife. 33:37
28. Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 33:50-51
29. If men must speak to Muhammad’s wives they must speak from behind a curtain. And no one must ever marry one of his wives. 33:53
30. But it’s OK for Muhammad’s wives to talk with certain people. 33:55
31. Women must cover themselves when in public. 33:59
32. But the single-minded slaves of Allah will enjoy a Garden filled with lovely-eyed virgins. 37:40-48
33. Female companions await those who enter the Gardens of Eden on the Day of Reckoning. 38:52
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Anil,

I am sorry to write this,because I had the impression that you possibly might be a bit different from the normal people on this site whose aim is just Pakistan and Islam bashing.

Not only your ignorance ,but also your intentions are quite apparent in your act of posting a long ’single sentence’list cut off from it’s context;with no attempt to address -or rebut- the points I specifically raised in my article.

Even worse you just post a long list -of what you imagine are monstrosities of Islam;without even making an effort to state why you think so???If you really made the effort ,you just might find out why!

As I said it is quite apparent to me you don’t want any answers -and just wish to make a statement.So i’ll leave the pleasure to you.But if you wish to really discuss any or all of the above points;do ask one by one -and I will give you the answer to each.It is neither possible-nor advisable - for me to deal will such a long and pointless list
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Almaha
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Islam raised the status of women, and gave them the greatest honor.It gave them threir rights long before the western world did.

Vijay : Hassan quoted from the Quran to support what he wrote about women, and there are many more verses and hadiths (sayings of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him) that show how women are greatly honored in Islam.

Michael Davison: I’m a Saudi woman and I do not know where you got ”women in Saudi Arabia do not sit in the front seats of cars”. I can sit in the front seat lol
As for driving, yes women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive. But this is a cultural issue. To understand it, you have to read about the Saudi culture.It has nothing to do with Islam.
And by the way, the Saudi government has no problem allowing women to drive cars, but it is the Saudi people who do not want that. And surprisingly many Saudi women do not want that either .



Hassan Rizvi: Thank you so much for writing this WONDERFUL article!
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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
Almaha,

I can only judge by what I have been told by people who have been to Saudi Arabia, as I will not be allowed to enter there with an Israeli passport. I do remember in particular one US Air Force officer, a female, who was very put out by the fact (according to her) that she was not allowed to drive a car off-base, and if she went as a passenger, protocol forced her to sit in the back seat. This was particularly annoying to her because she is a transport aircraft pilot (C-130s) with several thousand yhours as pilot-in-command.

It’s very surprising that women don’t want to drive, by the way.

I would have to say that many of the common customs, such as a woman always being escorted by a male family member, seem to indicate that either a woman can’t be trusted without a chaperone, or the men can’t be trusted to respect a woman’s right to be left alone on the street without harrassment.
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
You poor thing.... you have no rights.. cultural, religious or otherwise.
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Almaha
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Incognito
You’re just making assumptions that you want to be true.
Saudi women are not poor, and they do not need anyone to speak for them by the way.
Saudi women live a luxurious life that many other women in other countries wish they had. And still, they get education and they also can have jobs and work.
It is true we do not drive but we do have chauffeurs that drive us around. I do not see not driving a car an act of oppression, drive or no drive, it’s all the same to me. As long as I move freely, then no problem. But I do believe women have the right to drive cause there are no enough reasons for this ban, but like I said, this is a cultural issue.
So saying to me I have no rights at all means either you’re super ignorant about Saudi Arabia or you’re someone whose mind is controlled by their biased media. We do have brains to use not to let them go rotten..you know.
saying I have no rights is childish . Please provide your facts if you have any and tell me what rights I do not have that other women have.,so we can discuss.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Incognito & Michael,

Why on earth would all women want to be C-130 transport plane pilots? -or any similar such things like train drivers or truck drivers.Ok sorry why should even most women try to be any such thing?

Do you honestly feel most women would like to give up the job of being a good mother to her children and the custodian of a happy family to any other job?

Please give me some good reasons for why-if you disagree.
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Rudra Bhaumik
kolkata, India
In india it is just reversed.
1)Single complaint by wife can land husband and her in-laws behind the bar..including minors of the family.
2) Wife can ask anything (e.g. money,car, flat)from husband while if husband want anything like that he will be prosecuted.
3) Only husband can be punished for adultery to imprisonment but if wife is found guilty no punishment for her.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Rudra’

I think Indian men need to start a men’s liberation movement if this really is the case.and believe me they would have if....


But if the law is so one sided in favour of women,it is injustice to man.Islam believes in equal justice for all,that is why we have no caste system in Islam.
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Shahwar K
kolkata, India
Good job, Mr.Hassan!
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Shahwar K,

Thanks for the visit and the compliment.Nice to see you here after such a long time.And all the best
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Samir
Shimla, India
Complete theory and hardly any thing that can be called practical!
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Really,and what is all law any where in the world if not theory.And please can you point out what really is impractical in this law???? only then I can reply.
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Thank you Hassan for this. I know this was in response to my comment, and you now know I am female. You have inspired me to write a post to counter this. It might take a while, but I will write it.

I have read far too many stories and seen far too many videos to believe half of what you say.

Some of this might be true, in theory, but in practice it is far from true. Perhaps that is because of cultural influences... but with Islam culture, religion and politics is tightly intertwined.

You will never convince western women that Islam is good for them. Sorry.
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Almaha
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Incognito
I’m a Muslim woman but you’re not. I choose to follow God’s laws, but you choose to follow your own laws. You are free to do so as I am free to follow what I believe. Also, I live in a Muslim country where many laws are based on and derived from Islamic shari’ah. I live in a country where all its citizens are Muslims and most are practicing ones. You cannot impose your ideas or even your definitions of freedom on people whose beliefs and culture are different from yours as I cannot impose mine on you or anyone else. You do not expect me to say the USA must implement shari’ah laws, do you?
Most Saudis choose to follow God’s laws. And we do not change God’s laws like other people from other religions. What is good to them today might be evil tomorrow, and what is evil today might be good tomorrow. So all laws and values are lost . We as Muslims cannot even think about doing such thing because rejecting a law set by God puts us out of the fold of Islam.
About the links you posted..
In Islam, a woman is not allowed to travel alone without a maharam (a man she’s related to). And it is not because she cannot be trusted or she is treated like a child. It is because safety of women in Islam comes first . So the purpose of a mahram being with her is to protect her in case an emergency arises. Now most Saudis live according to Islamic shari’a. If a woman travels without a Mahram and without letting her family or husband know, this may cause problems between the government and Saudi people .( I suggest you read about Saudi Arabia and why many Saudis tried to rebel against the government) So to avoid such problems, if a woman wants to travel alone, she has to get a permission slip from her guardian. Now , a woman travelling alone without a Mahram is not allowed in Islam. But asking a woman to get a permission slip does not necessarily mean this is in Islam. It has to do with the Saudi culture.
So better than saying Saudi women have no rights, ask Saudi women. See if they see themselves oppressed or without rights. You said I have no freedom, how could I have no freedom if I choose to live like a practicing Muslim woman? I do not see that law oppressing because even if it was not there, I would still ask my father for permission if I wanted to go out, and I would not travel alone because my religion forbids it. I CHOOSE to live like a Muslimah.
And by saying all that, I do not speak for all Saudi women. I speak for myself, and many if not the majority are like me. They like living in this country.
My country is not perfect. And there are some laws that need to be changed. Not Islamic laws, but laws that have nothing to do with Islam and I still do not know why they are there. But Saudi Arabia is not like what I see in the media. Saudi Arabia in the media is hell. I do not live in hell. Actually Saudi Arabia is a very wonderful place for a practicing Muslimah.
Now, if women in Islam have no rights like many assume, why do many women from the west convert to Islam? why do they leave their ”freedom” and choose to live like Muslim women?
Check this link
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1484859
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Greetings Maam,
Well yes I tried to answer your question about what rights Islam gives women.Stories and videos are written by people with their own angles and agendas;so it depends on whose stories you read.

Why should I lie.Specially when u can re-check so easily.Just Google any Islamic source for womens rights.and right in my article I give the link of a British christian women BBC reporter who interviewed Muslim women in 19 countries!

Yes in many places cultural and political pressures do work to sideline some of these rights;for example right in my country in the almost ignorant and hardly educated ’wild north’ tribal ares -the ones who produced the Taliban’s etc; the people are fighting our troops because they want the government to stop educating girls -and they are also blowing up any girls schools which they can.But you cant blame Islam for this ...it’s only their lack of education -and equally their ignorance about Islam .
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Incognito Maam,

I must thank you for the link to human Rights violation in Saudi Arabia you gave to Almaha – it led me to the following right in the same site:
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/12/18/us-soaring-rates-rape-and-violence-against-women(New York, December 18, 2008) - A new government report shows huge increases in the incidences of domestic violence, rape, and sexual assault over a two-year period in the United States. The statistics show a 42-percent increase in reported domestic violence and a 25-percent increase in the reported incidence of rape and sexual assault. At least 248,300 individuals were raped or sexually assaulted in 2007, up from 190,600 in 2005; Violent crimes committed by intimate partners against women increased from 389,100 in 2005 to 554,260.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/01/16/israel-stop-shelling-crowded-gaza-city(Jerusalem, January 16, 2009) - Israel’s use of heavy artillery in residential areas of Gaza City violates the prohibition under the laws of war against indiscriminate attacks and should be stopped immediately, Human Rights Watch said today. ”Firing 155mm shells into the center of Gaza City, whatever the target, will likely cause horrific civilian casualties…..By using this weapon in such circumstances, Israel is committing indiscriminate attacks in violation of the laws of war.”” As of January 14, 1,013 Palestinians had died, including 322 children and 76 women, according to the Gazan Ministry of Health. An additional 4,560 Palestinians reportedly have been wounded, including 1,600 children and 678 women.

The report also says: The attacks on Gaza City occurred after the Israel Defense Force (IDF) had warned Gaza’s residents to flee to city centers. According to the Israeli government, on January 3, the IDF began broadcasting warnings that told people, among other things, that ”For your own safety, you are required to leave your homes immediately and move to the city centers.” Despite these warnings, the IDF has launched attacks against the Gaza city center, causing civilian casualties.
”Israel warned civilians to go to city centers and later shelled the center of Gaza City with a weapon that should never be used in densely populated areas,” Garlasco said.
Now when there are such serious criminal cases involving human rights violations in your own country-as well as by your closest ally; don’t you think it is rather childish of you to bother about the issue of male guardianship for its women in Saudi Arabia? If I were you –i.e. were a US women in USA, seeing the above facts, I would launch a women’s movement for ensuring women don’t move about without male guardians in USA!!!!!

How ever don’t get me wrong, I am not protecting Saudi laws as Islamic laws. Under the guise of being Islamic most of their laws are re-written to confirm to their cultural environment. Thus for example women in most other Muslim countries including Pakistan don’t have the requirement of male guardian; nor are forbidden to drive.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
’You have inspired me to write a post to counter this. It might take a while, but I will write it’.

Thanks.And Maam I assure you I would love to read it and comment constructively.
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
I was not referring to material wealth, Almaha, when I called you ”poor”. Living a luxurious life means absolutely nothing when you have no freedom. http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/04/20/saudi-arabia-male-guardianship-policies-harm-women http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11090113 google women’s rights + saudi arabia and you will find many more articles that illustrate the lack of women’s rights there. I’mhappy you don’t mind living in the shadow of men, treated like a child, but please don’t tell us that living as an Islamic woman in Saudi Arabia is wonderful. Perhaps it is for you, but not from my perspective.
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This article shows only one side of the story. The western or other democratic countries have free media and that’s why these things come out. Also, statistics of rape matter on the laws of the country. Marrying a man with a small girl is obviously a case of rape. unfortunately, some countries allow that.

Khaled Hosseini’s books give an account of the author’s life in Afghanistan and there are ’n’ number of books about torture in Saudi Arabia. It has become so hard to prove rape in Saudi Arabia.

By the way, I disagree that women and men are equal according to Islam. It says women are less deficient in intelligence than men. The laws of 1 male witness = 2 female witness and the unequal distribution of property only prove that.

Also, the right to marriage, the right to life, the right to intellectual freedom, the right to divorce all this are called as fundamental rights. There’s nothing great in it. All of them are provided in a democracy too.

Glad to see Islam at least has these fundamental rights. Especially the right to life. I am yet to come across a religion that teaches to kill a baby girl at birth!!

This link tells about women in Islam, and it comes from one of the most authentic sources of Islam: Wikiislam . The references are given alongside and are also found at the bottom of the page.
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Qur%27an%2C_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women
The essence of that will give a better idea.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Ameya’

I can see now why you are so confused.Wikiislam is not one of the most authentic sources about Islam;in fact it is not even run by Muslims.It is designed to mislead people like you who dont know anything about Islam and so can be easily fooled.

Second my point wasn’t as you say:’'the right to marriage, the right to life, the right to intellectual freedom, the right to divorce all this are called as fundamental rights. There’s nothing great in it. All of them are provided in a democracy too”.But was that the so called democracies gave these same rights to their women-and that too after they revoulted -1400 years after Islam.And even now some havn’t given the same rights.Can u disprove this?
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Ameya’

Why do anti Islam people always have to quote Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan?Just see their comments on this post.What does this prove.They are not criticising the culture of a particular country and not the teachings of Isalm.if you want to criticise Islamic teachings ,give me something from the Quran or Hadith.not from the laws of American occupied or American backed nations.
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Hassan, I can’t believe you are actually asking that question!! How hideously chauvinistic. But now I understand why you say the things you do. Why shouldn’t a woman be a pilot or a truck driver if she so chooses? Or a doctor or a lawyer orWHATEVER her GOD-given brain leads her to do? GOD gave women brains as well, you know Hassan, and ifMuslim women decide they want to be mothers and nothing else, and not use their brains and intellect, then that’s their choice, but PLEASE do NOT presume that ALL women choose the same thing. I am not disparaging those who choose to be mothers, there are plenty of women in the U.S. who choose that, but women were NOT created to be barefoot and pregnant and to simply serve the needs of men and their children. There are many women who do not want children ( I for one) and many who can NOT have children because they are infertile. What do those women do if they choose not to be or can not be mothers? Then what? LOL. I can’t believe you actually wrote this comment.. then again, I guess I can.
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Sanwali
Shimla, India
Incognito, there’s no point in arguing with a bunch of people who are not ready to face the ground reality. We all are a part of this world. Everyone knows that more than 50% of the Muslim women are being oppressed by the male. They are not entitled to their basic human rights. Yes there are few women who are lucky enough to stay out of this crap, which is good for them. But that doesn’t mean that they will ignore, what is happening with other muslim women.

And I again would like to ask Mr. Hasan that how much freedom do you give the girls in your family? Do you allow them to wear western dresses? Do you allow them to party with friends? Do you allow them to go out on a trip with friends?

I am not even curious to know the answer...just think about these questions and answer them to your conscience. Please stop wasting yours and our time for these theories and face the reality.

Why are the girls schools being destroyed by Talibani’s. They are supposed to be true followers of Islam, if I am not wrong...The Grand Mufti Abdul Aziz al-Shiekh, the most powerful and senior cleric of Saudi Arabia justifies the marriage of 10 year old girl with a 75 year old man. This is crazy man! No sane person would make such a statement.

And if Benazir’s example is being quoted then everyone knows that she had to pay a big price to be liberal in thoughts. She had to leave her country for many years and was shot down soon after she came back. Before quoting examples, please check the results as well.

What are you people trying to show us or trying to cover up...What??

Enough! Please stop these baseless discussions.
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Almaha
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Incognito
I can say what I believe like you can. You said I have NO rights at all and that I only follow my religion cause I have no choice which is an assumption that you want to be true.
First , I have been honest in all my answers not because I am a nationalist trying to protect my country or too protective of my religion but because if I lie I go to hell:)
Second, I told you I speak for myself, not for all Saudi women, although many think the same as me if not the majority, yet you said I have no choice but to follow my religion. So how dare you say I follow Islam blindly?:) You did not like it when I said you do not follow God’s laws but it is okay to you to make assumptions about me.

If our Islamic laws are too strict to some Saudi women and other Muslims, it is not to me..
I like living in my country. I work, go out with friends, travel (with a mahram of course). Men around me show respect towards me. No one is oppressing me. And I see that Islam gave me my rights. I choose to live like a Muslimah like I said before. And I believe men and women are different and each have their rights that suit their gender but spiritually and religiously we are equal.
And as long as I follow what I believe is right then I really do not care what others think or label me. You can call me fundamentalist or wahabi. I consider this praise.
And as for those Muslims who criticize us, they are also criticized by us. And to find who is right and who is not, you can search and read about Islam and then judge by yourself. And I hope you won’t go to anti-Islam sites:)
You said I impose my own ideas on others. Quote something I said that suggests so.

And as for you not converting to Islam, well whether you reject to accept, it is your choice.

Now the title of the article is Islam: what are the rights of women? It is supposed to be about women in ”Islam”, not what some Muslims do in some Muslim countries. So it is better if we focus on the title of the article.

Finally, Islam is perfect but Muslims are not. Muslims are humans. They make mistakes and commit sins. And there is no Muslim country where shari’a laws are fully implemented. (I wish there would be one oneday). Anyway , if there are some Muslim women abused and oppressed, it does not mean this is Islam.
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Almaha, No I am not Muslim, but how dare you say I do not follow GOD’S Laws. I follow every single one of the ten commandments, inlcuding ”Thou Shalt Not Kill”. I am not trying to impose my definition of freedom on you, however, YOUARE trying to export your Shariah to western countries and that is wrong. If I happened to live in your country, it would be incumbent upon me to follow your laws, even if they happened to be Shariah.... conversely, when Muslims live in western countries they want everyone else to change. This is very wrong. You keep your Shariah.. we’ll keep our laws and try to keep separation of Church and state. And if you don’t believe me google it. Safety comes first, is that because Muslim men can’t be trusted? How sad. But if the Saudi government follows Shariah Law and Shariah Law is based in Islam, then it is not just cultural it is religious as well. And I still think you have no freedoms, but perhaps you are used to it, and so be it. And perhaps it’s easier to just accept it, because you have no choice, and I could well understand that. But even other Muslims have criticised Saudi Arabia’s form of Islam - Wahabbism- for it’s fundementalism. as for why they convert. I haven’t a clue, although I have watched many, many videos of converts and reverts.I am a very spiritual person. I pray and meditate every day. I look to GOD for anwers to all my questions. I don’[t wear sexy clothing, but I have never found Islam appealing, so you won’t find me converting. I don’t mean that as a criticism, just a truth. I find the disparity between men and women frightful. You can’t see it because you have been conditioned to accept what you are told.
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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
Hassan—

Your diatribe will probably take as long an answer as the posting itself is… however, I’ll try to answer each claim you make.

“People like you are exactly the one the noble Jesus Christ lost his life trying to educate -but they never learned!”

Jesus Christ was murdered by the Romans for the same reason thousands of others were: he preached a freedom of spirit that didn’t sit well with the Roman Empire’s philosophies. He never claimed he was more than an ordinary man.

“Why can’t you see the ’entire beam’ in your own eyes - and yet can see the splinter of a straw in another’s. For instance the Jews as late as the late 20th century were debating on should they give Jewish women the right to witness-never mind the right to vote!!!”

I beg your pardon? There was never any debate among the founders of Israel whether women (Jewish or not) should vote. Ben-Gurion’s first government had a female foreign minister, Golda Meir. Nowhere else did Jews even have control of the question of enfranchisement. Where did you get this information? Perhaps from some Neturei Karta web site? Women have always had the right to bear equal witness in Rabbinical Courts, although there are certain rights the Rabbinate has usurped from women—rights which are gradually being restored.

I have visited several Muslim countries and must admit I was not terribly impressed with the treatment of women’s rights (among other areas). If Saudi Arabia is so “enlightened”, how is it that non-Muslims may not purchase property? Saudi Arabia is one of the “Jew-free” Arab countries… there is not a single Jewish citizen of Saudi Arabia, and no Christians, either, as far as I know. Jewish US soldiers who served in Saudi Arabia to protect it from Iraq’s depredations had to hide the fact that they were Jewish and exchange the identity tags identifying them as “Jewish” for ones identifying them as “Protestant B”. If Saudi Arabia did not have its oil reserves, the western world wouldn’t give it the time of day—think about that when the oil begins to run out, or some western inventor creates an alternative, renewable power source.

“Honor killings happen every where-even in the west, Americas and non-Muslim African, as well as Asian and Hindu societies. Even a child can google the word and see for himself. Therefore as you ‘know very well’-or should know-it is not a religious issue at all, but a cultural.”

Yes, I’ve heard this before, and still disagree. The vast majority of so-called “honor killings” in the west and in African countries are still committed by Muslims. For example, those committing “honor killings” in Jordan are not tried for murder, but investigated for “justifiable homicide (and Jordan is supposed to be one of the “enlightened” Muslim countries)! To make the claim that it’s a “cultural thing” and not Muslim when over 90% of these killings involve Muslim families is nothing less than fatuous.

“Arranged marriages!!!!! Do you mean forced marriages or arranged marriages. Please clarify this before I can reply. There is a world of a difference between the two.”

Pardon me, I meant forced marriages, although in many cultures where arranged marriages are common, the prospective bride and groom have some say in the matter- except for Muslims – so the question becomes moot, since virtually any Muslim-arranged marriage is a “forced marriage”.

“Why family violence alone !!! You now have figures for the entire world for violence against women. Just study them before making this allegation. You will find over all figures for violence against women are certainly much higher in western societies -and for family related violence too.”

You can’t possibly try to tell me that statistics for violence in Muslim families are anything close to complete. Any comparison of actual government statistics are useless because a complaint must be made for the incident to appear in the statistics. How many Muslim women even try to make a complaint in Muslim countries? Close to none—and even then only when it becomes an immediate matter of life and death.

“If you know that Islam requires 4 witnesses for rape; you will also know that Islam requires four witnesses for all major crimes. Two witnesses is the requirement only for witnessing to documents, deeds etc and minor crimes. This is not only fair-but also where Islam tried to make the prevailing system more humane; all crimes which carried severe and often harsh (by modern day standards) needed more evidence. Thus adultery where since the days of Moses the men & women were being frequently stoned to death became more difficult to prove-and therefore implement.”

And how “fair” is it that the testimony of a Muslim man is equal to that of two women or two non-Muslims? When was the last man sentenced to stoning for adultery? I remember several cases of women sentenced to death for adultery within the past couple of years, but no men… Please don’t try to pretend that Islam treats men and women equally in the eyes of the law.

“‘How is it that a woman is often sentenced as “guilty” of her own rape’. You tell me!! I have never heard of this-nor do i think this is humanely possible for her .But if it has happened anywhere; surely it is a case of miscarriage -or misuse -of justice. How is Islam involved? This happens everywhere.”

Last year, a Saudi woman was sentenced to (I think) 40 lashes for “tempting” the men to rape her. She was wearing a head scarf but not a face covering, if I remember rightly. While it’s a common tactic in a western court to claim that the woman was not raped, but that the act was consensual, laws in the west have changed to make that more difficult to prove. Where is the progress under Islamic law?

“‘I’m sorry, but this article talks of the theory’. I am sorry Davison, this article talks of Islamic law for women as accepted by all factions of Islam -and as practiced in the times of the holy prophet and the early period. And yes all law is theory-unless you put it into practice. Of course it sounds good, because it is good.”

Just in case you hadn’t noticed, we are not living “in the times of the Prophet and the early period”. The reality is nowhere near the glowing descriptions you give, and they still gloss over inequalities written into the laws; women do not inherit equally to men, their testimony on court is valued at half that of a man, their right to sue for divorce is severely limited and so is their personal freedom. As I said, the theory sounds good, but the practice does not match the theory in today’s world.

“That is why when we practiced it, it led to the golden period of Islam. In fact Islam is meant as-and was- blessing and glory for women; and women are meant to be -and were for a limited - a blessing and glory for Islam.”

No religion based on inequality and the submission of non-members can have a truly “Golden Age”. The so-called “Golden Age of Islam” is dotted with wars of conquest, political assassinations, civil wars, riots against non-Muslims, imposing the choice between forced conversion or expulsion, inequality under law, the collection of “protection money” for dhimma to have the right to breathe, the decrees forcing non-Muslims to wear distinctive clothing (so Muslims wouldn’t treat them as equals), limitations in construction (no home higher than a Muslim’s), travel (no traveling on camels or horses, because it might put a dhimmi’s head higher than a Muslim’s) ad infinitum. It might have been a “Golden Age” if one was a Muslim belonging to the faction currently in power, but that’s about all.

“Those days shall return God willing, as educated Muslim women take back the role assigned to them by God.”

Oh, really? And exactly what role would that be? Is it the role of “factory” to produce Jihadis, as Yasser Arafat claimed? What of women who are naturally infertile and can’t bear children? Are they to be consigned to the dust-heap because they can’t fulfill their “destiny”? These days will return? I certainly hope not, because it will be condemning the world to fight its way out of the dark ages of oppression again, probably tearing the world apart.

Open your eyes to what the world IS, not what you want it to be. Name a real achievement under Islam that came after the invention of Algebra and the zero, a thousand years ago.

“Why on earth would all women want to be C-130 transport plane pilots? -or any similar such things like train drivers or truck drivers. Ok sorry why should even most women try to be any such thing?

“Do you honestly feel most women would like to give up the job of being a good mother to her children and the custodian of a happy family to any other job?

“Please give me some good reasons for why-if you disagree.”

Because they can. Do you really believe that every woman must be a wife and mother before anything else? Just as some men are not suited for marriage, so are some women, or they may have different priorities or ambitions than the ones you feel are “right” and ”proper”.

In a career of 30 years as an industrial engineer, I have worked with female engineers, accountants, CEOs, CFOs, production and technical staff and board of directors members, and found the great majority no less qualified than men to perform their jobs, and often more professional and dedicated. Some of them had families, some not… it was their choice.

Turning fully half your population into non-producing members of society is counter-productive and certainly wasteful. Any society where half its population is home-bound and works only to increase its population is doomed to stagnation in all the creative and scientific fields—medicine, the sciences, industry, education, art, literature and more.

Where is it written in stone that men have a monopoly on talent, intelligence and ambition?
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
I don’t know if this was in response to me, but I have no clue what it is referring to. I am going to write a post about Islam from the perspective of a western woman, and then perhaps you can respond then.. it might take a while, but I will be interested.
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
So tell me, Hassan, it seems that there is an increase in Islamic fundamentalism throughout the world... ala Taliban.. extreme repression of women etc. I happen to think that fundamentalism in any religion (be it Islam, Chistianity, Judaism etc.) is extremely dangerous. Given the increase in fundamentalisym within your religion what do you do to stop it? Even in the Gaza strip, that international school was attacked because littleboys and girls were participating in sports together.. that to me is extremism.... what do you, as a what would I call you? a moderate? what do you do? I also asked Almaha this question and I want you to be vey honest with me as well. Do you believe that Islam is the only True religion? and do you want and believe that Islam will dominate the world?
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Hello Hassan, I have never denied there are cases of rapes and violence in this country. There is far too much domestic violence in all countries, including Islamic countries. I have read the reports and seen videos of Imams saying its okay to hit your wives. The difference is the men that do it here are stupid, ignorant, violentidiots.. men in Islam do it because it’s sanctioned by religious laws.Take away that law and maybe you could say Muslim men are more caring about women than western men, but until it stops.... they both are sick... I have no comment about the 2nd article because I have not read it, and frankly, I have seen some information that has been bogus, so I don’t know what to believe. as for launching a women’s movement for male guardianship... thanks anyway, but I don’t think so. I think we’d be better served to educate men in self-control. :)
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Maam,

I cannot believe that a lady as accomplished and intelligent as you would intentionally misconstrue what I state ;so yet again I must content myself with stating that my words failed to achieve the desired resonance in your comprehension.

If you read carefully you can hardly have any grounds for labeling me as you do.I did not ask why ‘any’ women or even why ‘some women’ may want to be pilots,or truck drivers ,or what ever… my question was : “Why on earth would all women want to be C-130 transport plane pilots? -or any similar such things ….. Do you honestly feel most women would like to give up the job of being a good mother to her children and the custodian of a happy family to any other job”?
So maam you have evaded the issue and resorted to maligning your opponent instead.This is an attitude which ill becomes a lady.

Your statement : There are many women who do not want children ( I for one) and many who can NOT have children because they are infertile.� What do those women do if they choose not to be or can not be mothers? Does not answer my question –only evades it. Yet the answer for these women is given in Islamic law;as I state in my article too islam gives a women not only the right to work,but also the right to spend her earning as she likes-and not on the household .

Thus one of my daughters –who is married- teaches in a school; my wife prefers to be a house wife –but drives;goes to court;visits her female friends;visits the market all unaccompanied by me.Another married daughter does not wish to go anywhere witout her husband and wants to be a housewife and raise her children only.My youngest daughter wants to be a doctor-((Cute ! ‘so she can look after us(mom & me) when she grows up!)).We had a women as chief executive;we have a women general in the armed force;currently our senate Speaker is a women;and we have dozens of women senators.Yet the majority of women prefer to be house wives only.

The beauty of Islam is that it bases the society and it’s laws on the natural capabilities and inclinations of the majority-but does not deny the aspirations of the minority…and it does not allow the minority to hijack or sabotage the natural inclinations of the majority .
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Hello Hassan, Perhaps it’s the language barrier, but your question (as written) is not misconstruable.  It plainly states what it means. That women prefer to be mothers than work. I find that chauvinistic, but perhaps it’s a cultural thing.  I didn’t directly answer that question because I can’t speak for all women.  For me, I have never wanted children. Many women don’t.  I would say there are women who just want to be mothers and wives, but there ae many more who don’t.  Or at least, would like to be able to work and have a family.  So, no I  would not prefer to be a mother and housewife than work.  Assuming that most women do, is chauvinistic.  Sorry, but that’s the way I feel. I had no idea you were married with children.  I had the impression you were young.  But I’m glad you are progressive enough to allow your daughters their freedom.  Many in Islamic countries don’t, particularly Saudi Arabia.    Yes, I know Pakistan is progressive in many ways, but I see a turn towards fundamentalism, in the world, and that is not a good thing. Be it Christian, Hindu, Jewish or Muslim.  And  I still have a major problem with church and state.  And you have to admit that Shariah Law is mixing church with state.. or mosque with state, so to speak. Good luck with your girls.  I hope your daughter achieves her dreams.  Though she won’t if Pakistan lets the Taliban and fundamentalism take over,
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Maam,

I cannot believe that a lady as accomplished and intelligent as you would intentionally misconstrue what I state ;so yet again I must content myself with stating that my words failed to achieve the desired resonance in your comprehension.

If you read carefully you can hardly have any grounds for labeling me as you do.I did not ask why ‘any’ women or even why ‘some women’ may want to be pilots,or truck drivers ,or what ever… my question was : “Why on earth would all women want to be C-130 transport plane pilots? -or any similar such things ….. Do you honestly feel most women would like to give up the job of being a good mother to her children and the custodian of a happy family to any other job”?
So maam you have evaded the issue and resorted to maligning your opponent instead.This is an attitude which ill becomes a lady.

Your statement : There are many women who do not want children ( I for one) and many who can NOT have children because they are infertile.� What do those women do if they choose not to be or can not be mothers? Does not answer my question –only evades it. Yet the answer for these women is given in Islamic law;as I state in my article too islam gives a women not only the right to work,but also the right to spend her earning as she likes-and not on the household .

Thus one of my daughters –who is married- teaches in a school; my wife prefers to be a house wife –but drives;goes to court;visits her female friends;visits the market all unaccompanied by me.Another married daughter does not wish to go anywhere witout her husband and wants to be a housewife and raise her children only.My youngest daughter wants to be a doctor-((Cute ! ‘so she can look after us(mom & me) when she grows up!)).We had a women as chief executive;we have a women general in the armed force;currently our senate Speaker is a women;and we have dozens of women senators.Yet the majority of women prefer to be house wives only.

The thing about of Islamic law is that it bases the society and it’s laws on the natural capabilities and inclinations of the majority-but does not deny the aspirations of the minority…and it does not allow the to minority to hijack or sabotage the natural inclinations of the majority .
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Well, I am happy for you Almaha, that you are satisfied with your life. And I truly mean that. ”You said I impose my own ideas on others. Quote something I said that suggests so.” I don’t recall this, but I’m sure it wasn’t you, specifically, but rather a generic ’you’. I have a question, that I would like you to be very honest with, and I hope you will. Do you believe that Islam is the only one true religion and is it your hope that Islam and Shariah Law will dominate the world? I am going to ask this same question of others. Just curious.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Almaha and Incognito’

Ladies; I am sure the nobler and gentler sex is more capable of discussing this issue with out making it a fish market;as we men are bent on making it!

Incognito maam,(sorry for writing maam every time after Incognito -but the username seems much too masculane to me and so i try to soften it :) in case ou have any objection maam I shall desist)I am certain Almaha had no intention of calling you Godless.I know this because she is a Muslim ;and our Holy Quran tells us that you are not Godless,you are ’the people of the book’.In other words you too are a people whom God has blessed with a law book.

What she was probably trying to say was that you no longer strictly follow the laws of your own book(God’s Law) while the Muslims do try to follow the Quran.

Hope that helps.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Maam,

Yes it most certainly is the language barrier + the cultural barrier.Some times the language is right ,but our cultural up bringing makes us comprehend the same statement differently.

Lets take up again the question about what most women would prefer to be –working women or house wives. Can you deny that God (or for those who believe in evolution –nature) designed women to be the bearers, nourishers, and raisers of children? Men just can’t do the job!!Right? Now if that be so, wouldn’t God(or even evolution) ensure they are armed with the necessary psychological traits appropriate for the job?

But right here on this blog we have women a very interesting situation.ladies from three different countries and cultures Incognito from USA (allegedly the most advanced western nation), Almaha from Saudi Arabia (allegedly the most fundamentalist Muslim nation) and Shahwar K as well as well as Sanwali from India(the biggest democracy of the world).All commenting on the same issue.

Lets take India first one lady thinks I did a good job;the second thinks it is trash and asks me what right I give my girls? Mind you they are from the same culture-or at least claim they are-India.

As for the other two, they both are convinced theirs is the right system;and are absolutely unwilling to believe the other can be really happy with her lot.Mind you where they are being honest with themselves each does admits there are serious flaws in her own system!!!!

Why is this so?Clearly it’s the cultural up bringing that is responsible for this.Each conditions it’s children/sexes as they grow up to accept what it wants to force on them.

Might I therefore be allowed to suggest no matter which system ;each ingrains certain values in it’s people.The better system as far as women’s rights is concerned would the the one which better checks the worst aspects of the males,while allowing every woman to best utilize her God given capabilities as she wills.No?

In my blog I have tried to show how Islam does just this.
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Megha
New Delhi, India
Please stop this discussion here! No matter how many rights for women have been talked about in the religious books, the fact remains that only few of these rights are practised today, no matter what part of a world one resides. You all think that women are inferior or deprved class of the society, that is why such long discussions are being held, trying to prove that such and such religion gives so much rights to the women (Wow!!See a women, a deprived class gets so much rights under our religion!!!, isn’t it). Please stop thinking of a woman as an underdog, who needs rights laid by you people. We women are efficient enough to lead our lives and decide upon our own dressing. Sorry, if my comment was rude. (Can’t help it)
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Megha,
Your comment was perhaps one of the most sensible ones on this post-and thank you for it.

If you read my article carefully it is all about how world wide women were deprived and considered inferior;how Islam made and bold effort to address the problem;and though it succeeded initially - how men and their cultural codes every where made sure the process which should have been built on was reverted.Finally it is about Islamic women making sure they get these rights.

In the west women got even these rights because of a struggle - which has created it’s own problems ;not the least of which is disruption the natural harmony between the sexes -and the exploitation of the female as a sex object.this needs to be corrected.

Instead of addressing these issues most of the comments are really just statements of persons who think their system is right while the other is all wrong!!! Shows what cultural brain washing can do to each of us.

i agree with you 1005 women everywhere have been taken for a ride;but islam at least did make an effort 1400 years back that this should not happen.
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Bottom line I think is:
OPENNESS BUILDS TRUST.

Go to some major good city like Mumbai/Delhi/Lahore and you will find woman a little free. In the major malls of Mumbai, women can freely roam with minimal clothing. It is because of trust. They find trust in the people around. They know no one around is going to rape or molest. Openness Builds Trust.

Go to a small town or a slum especially in countries like India and other Third World Countries, woman can’t freely roam and live that freely. Because trust is lacking. They are a bit more conservative. Incidents of rape and molestation there are high (though they will not come in the open and cannot be searched through Google)

In certain countries, though it is compulsory for woman to come out only with 100% dressing and all, I think removing compulsion won’t do much. Not everybody around is a rapist/pervert. They should show some trust with their people keeping aside prejudices.

A society that has more openness, the citizens of that society have more trust in each other. I have experienced this by living in liberal and conservative societies of India. I think openness in the American society is a big plus they have. Openness even when it comes to reporting such incidents of rape. (not the way they are intentionally kept hidden in India or other countries)

I was glad to know recently that a law on compulsorily wearing burqa was rejected by a woman politician herself. not that i am against it, but it is a personal matter for the ladies to decide.

A common thing found in all rapists of Delhi, when researched by India Today team was that these rapists never had any good interaction with a lady personally. Men-women segregation is responsible for making some men to rape (and also women to rape men). So, I think interaction between men-women has to be there else, a factory of rapists/perverts/gays/lesbians will come up.

What do you all think people??
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
I agree, Ameya, segregation of any kind creates a closed society and causes many problems. How can you create an environment of mutual respect?
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I think whenever we are on a forum like this, we must avoid being a straw man. That gives rise to many misunderstandings. I mean everyone. Even those who feel they are the only right in the world.

Check this small article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Ameya’

I agree 100% .”We must avoid being a straw man”.considering we are discussing woman’s right the only thing I would like to see changed in that sentence would be straw person for straw man :)
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Ameya and IC ( I finally found the answer to my aversion for using Incognito in full:)

ref four statements i randomly picked up from your comments and ’lets not become straw persons’:

1.OPENNESS BUILDS TRUST....in relation to Segregation ? Correct ,but is that an issue in Islamic law? if so how do you reach the conclusion specially if you relate it to the next comment.

2.Go to a small town or a slum especially in countries like India and other Third World Countries, woman can’t freely roam and live that freely.....oh so obviously it is a cultural issue,because both Muslims and Hindus countries have the similar differences between city and village culture.

3.In the major malls of Mumbai, women can freely roam with minimal clothing. It is because of trust.....See my comment to statement no 2....now this is a straw peson logic if ever I saw one...it may be because of any number of factors including efficient and prompt law and order and court systems.Also relate to my observation on statement no 4.

4.A common thing found in all rapists of Delhi, when researched by India Today team was that these rapists never had any good interaction with a lady personally...... if so why one in3 women in USA is raped ,they have very good inter-action amongst men and women there?

5.Segregation of any kind creates a closed society and causes many problems........ what exactly you mean by segregation?Hijab is segegation ? If so this is certainly a straw argument.if not where does Islamic law preach segeration
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Hassan, Anyways, one comment here: As you say, it is more of a cultural issue, and people have different opinions on this. Yes, thats the case here. And The conclusion I came to was from the comments section. yes, the difference between cities and village (urban-rural) exists in terms of lifestyle. Rural folks do not adhere much to an open lifestyle. urban-rural divide exists everywhere in the world. But, in the developing countries, it is just too high. on your statement no.3, I don’t deny the fact that it may be due to a good law and order. Mumbai does not score well on the law and order parameter compared to the other major cities of the world. on your statement no.4, go and ask the India Today team. The survey was Delhi-based, not USA-based. It is again more of a cultural issue, as culture in USA is different. HIJAB IS NOT SEGREGATION. I don’t say that. in another post of Almaha’s you have called me unethical and without moral standards, for quoting out things from Wikiislam. I’d quoted that even before your comment here when you informed that it does not come from an Muslims source. May I ask where is it written that Wikiislam is not written by Muslims? And whomsever quotes them, do your Qurans and Hadiths change? Check it’s ’About Us’ and see where you find anything that you claimed. I have also said in a comment above that I’m not anti-islamic and things have to change with time and supported ijtihaad. Also, you say India will have something worse than 26/11 because of Hindu Zionists like me! That shows you are one of those who are just unable to stomach all the good that’s happening in India. That’s why you wish something bad happen in India!! If there is someone immoral and unethical, I find it is you.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi IC
Thanks so much for the issues you raised.
“So tell me, Hassan, it seems that there is an increase in Islamic fundamentalism throughout the world”.Of course there is an increase in Islamic ‘radical’fundamentalism.But is Islam to blame for it?You would agree that Islam has existed for much before Osama bin laden.Why then did we start hearing all this talk of Islamic fundamentalism only after he attacked the twin towers? And who created ,funded and taught him as well as his fundamentalist allies(The Taliban) all this and why? You would find the CIA,USA and our own ISI in tow rather then Islam created this monster.Only ; after the Russians were sorted out’ these well trained Arabs and Muslim fighters continue to go from strength to strength why? Again you will find geo-politics rather then Islam is the cause for this ;and believe me the latest Israeli actions in Gaza has given a tremendous boost to their cause and morale.
“Given the increase in fundamenalism within your religion what do you do to stop it”? You want me to be honest when I have been all along.Look We have suffered the most because of this monster the USA created and funded for it’s own strategic reasons in the first place.Long before 9/11 they had taken over Afghanistan and portions of our frontier province.And let me tell you after you returned to Afghanistan they are more stronger then ever both in Afghanistan as well as our frontier province–your media is not telling you the truth if you think things are getting better.We are battling real hard ;one fourt of our army 9over 100,000 men) is battling them in the frontier;and in the rest of the country we have always resisted their ideology,which we continue to do with even greater resolve after their bomb attacks.But to tell you the truth as long as the Palestine as well as the Kashmir issues are not resolved in a judicious manner , radical Islam will be like the proverbial genie out of the bottle.It will continue to get ever increasing number of recruits and will be impossible to bottle up.
‘I also asked Almaha this question and I want you to be vey honest with me as well. Do you believe that Islam is the only True religion? and do you want and believe that Islam will dominate the world”? This is what I call a loaded question.It’s like the one some one asked Jesus Christ about paying Taxes so Ceaser.He would stand condemned as a Roman sympithiser if he advised payment of taxes to Ceaser;and yet he would be condemned as a traitor to Rome if he did otherwise.So may I ask what are your objectives  .jesus (peace be upon him) parried the blow by asking a counter question.Telling the person to pull out a coin he asked whose image was on it;and on being told Ceasers he advised; “give to Ceaser what is his due ,and give to me what is mine”! This noble messenger of God Jesus ,what a superb teacher! Taking a cue from him,would you in a like manner allow me to answer your question with a question? Does any one in the world follow a religion not believing it is the best in the world; and does any one so believing not wish the entire world believed it so? IC once you answer this honestly we can go on the other issues like ;so what do you do with the other religions?
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi IC
ref:”I have read the reports and seen videos of Imams saying its okay to hit your wives. Take away that law and maybe you could say Muslim men are more caring about women than western men, but until it stops... The men that do it here are stupid, ignorant, violent,idiots. Men in Islam do it because it’s sanctioned by religious laws”.
The men in the USA are amongst the most educated and well of males in the modern world ;and yet as you say they do it being ’stupid, ignorant, violent, idiots’.Does the law put a stop to their stupid, ignorant, violent, idiotic acts?
Now picture yourself back amongst the most ignorant and backward people in a world which every where gave a women no rights or even dignity - and picture in such a situation a man(Muhammad-pbuh)informing men that women had all those rights I have mentioned in my article and trying to enforce them.
Can you visualise the enormity of the task he had undertaken -and the risk he was placing his entire ministry in? Yet he did not hesitate to proclaim those rights!
Now take this matter of beating women; I know allowing this in the modern age sounds preposterous, but consider those times in which even beating a women to death was no big deal at all; and perhaps you may be able to view the allowance for a husband to beat a women only lightly and in such a manner as not to leave any mark ,as an attempt to curb rather then encouraging the evil.
If you relate the act to what I pointed out earlier i.e. the behavior of even educated US men, perhaps you would also realize this is an act which cannot be entirely eradicated. In such a situation law makers every advise framing laws which are enforceable-as even one un enforceable law can put the entire legal system to risk.Perhaps the Islamic law is more enforceable then the American one?
Muhammad’s (pbuh) should not be held responsible if mullah’s/preachers today, preach exceeding that maximum allowance .To any sensible educated Muslim, the law specially when it is read with the other teachings of our beloved prophet (pbuh) has always meant we would be better of loving ,caring and supporting our women –rather then beating them.
And Maam though I have no doubt you will be able to teach men self-control –for I see you take care to follow some thing close to an Islamic dress code less the head scarf ; but to expect half dressed beauties to teach men self control would be nothing short of insanity : )
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Marco Villa benaliwatch.blogspot..
Connecticut, United States
Hassan, this is an excellent post.

You have spoken the truth here and decent people will recognize that.

Ignore the enemies of Islam and their comments. These people are against a rising tide; a tide that is on our side. They are simply envious of our great faith.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Thanks Marco Villa.
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Marco Villa benaliwatch.blogspot..
Connecticut, United States
Don’t mention it, someone has to look out for the Palestinians